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How Allen Became Ellen
by Rhonda

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Comment by Johnny on 01/11/14
I have only read the first part, but I am totally smitten with the story!  I am very seriously going to give some real time to savoring the following action as "Ellen" is forced fem!

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Comment by Silvia. on 09/21/11
Force, lies, blackmail, mislead, unfairness, betrayed...
Allen's mother, aunt and cousins, should be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.

Comment by Jamie E on 11/25/10
A first class story!  I certainly enjoyed and hated to see it end so soon.  Well thought out and executed.

Comment by RM on 09/27/10
You can find 9 & 10 over at Big Closet Classic.

Rhonda promised a "darker" part 11, but I've been unable to locate it.


Comment by ALISON MARY on 08/19/09
 A great story and a good read.I laughed a lot,smiled a lot
 but I cried when I got to Victoria's story as I knew a young boy with dyslexia who encountered similar problems at school and almost succeeded in taking his own life .Don't keep us in suspense Rhonda,
get back on that keyboard.God bless and thank you.Alison

Comment by AussieBoi on 04/05/09
I wanted to congratulate you on a truly magnificent story.  I really enjoyed it and would love to read further chapters dealing with Ellen's transitioning.  Thank you for such a wonderful tale, hope that at some stage you decide to write further.

Comment by Joanne on 02/21/08
Thankyou for a wonderfull story. It has cost me much work time but I enjoyed every minute.

Comment by lee lee on 01/07/08
Well darn  navigating through the lists of authors and stories  I somehow can only find part 2  Now this is a fun story since once I too was petticoated by my mother at a much younger age....I just loved this section and went looking for parts 3 and 4  because I think I know where it is leading..where do I find them?  You might be interested in knowing that when I  sit down to read these kinds of stories I get dressed in lingerei and a nice skirt and sweater..I love to role play as I read.  you write nicely too and are easy to read as you develop Ellen into a nice young lady...ah that we could all live like that   Thank you  Leelee

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Comment by juliej on 12/30/06
I have finished reading this story its heavey going but brilliant what a way to go

Comment by juliej on 12/10/06
i have reread the first 4 parts and i feel its agreat way to teach a leeson it should be done far more in this day &age a brilliant story so far will comment once i have read the other parts

Comment by jeanne on 07/20/06
The main question is why you stopped writting this story and why you stopped altogether. Your work is very good. Please start again with these as the starting point. Thanks much and reply if you will.
Jeanne

Comment by julie j on 11/01/04
1st 4 parts are really wel written welldone look forewards to reading the next parts

Comment by ???? on 08/05/04
Rhonda,

Please, please pick up the thread of this story and carry it to conclusion.

I'd LOVE to see Vicky and Ellen a well settled happy couple (kids, the whole 9 yards).

Comment by Angel O'Hare on 03/27/04
The question really is - - - - WHO IS CASSANDRA? - - - -

IS SHE an AUTHOR? Hm, can't find her anywhere.

IS SHE an EDITOR? Could be folks!

IS Cassandra an alias? You bet your bippy! Giggle, giggle.

A critic of critics? Chief justice of the TG Fiction written word?

Oh well, freedom of the written word I say! Giggle, giggle.

As for the story? Great job Rhonda!

I do dissagree with our chief justice on this one even though I might be sentenced to obscurity (by being labeled as a, never mind) her once more. Giggle, giggle.

Every comment, well, the majority of comments are worth reading. Not just those from the so-called chief justices and highly educated commenters.

Fellow authors being great, good, adequate or even the newbie have something to offer. If they didn't care, they wouldn't comment! That is the magic word, caring.

Jezzi has helped more people become better authors than many others including the chief justice Cassandra. Her style is to hit you and hit you between the eyes. Giggle, giggle.

Coming from me, the struggling and barely adequate writer, you can take this with a grain of salt. Write your style and learn from others to make your efforts even better as I know you will.

You Go Girl!

I'm just your innocent naive sideline cheerleader. Giggle, giggle.

Huggles
Angel



Comment by Cassandra on 03/26/04
What else is there to say! For those of us who have followed Allen's reticence into Ellen's acceptance little or nothing remains. I'm sorely tempted to comment on one of the everlasting critics by suggesting that she review all her comments on other stories. If she would do so she would find that her constant drum beat was that he did not resist. Now that we have a story where he does resist she still complains. Certainly there are issues to be resolved. Certainly matters relating to the mom need conclusion. But, I say again, give it a rest. Be angry if you so desire. This is not, and I repeat not, part of the story review.

I am so glad that Jezzi did her "mea culpa". Sorry dear, this is far to late. The story is essentially good. There are matters that could have been handled better. I am so pleased that Rhonda carried her plan to conclusion without the outside distractions of "experts".

Keep up the good work you have begun, Rhonda. Give the critics the dust off the soles of your heels.

Cassandra

Comment by Kristi Fitzpatrick on 03/26/04
Dear Rhonda:

   Thank you for parts five and six. I was about to give up as humiliation and deception is not my thing.   Parts five and six are like a new story for me. Especially six where we hear about Vicki.  I think she is really going to make this story and also we have a TG story where there are two main characters. Highly unusual and very much appreciated.  Of course both are TG in some sense, but that is to be expected.

   I hope Allen does not become Ellen solely for the sake of Victoria. That would be a huge mistake. I think though that he is finding much more comfort in being a she. I like the direction this story is going very much and hope things continue to be focused  on love and tenderness instead of humiliation and revenge. I am starting to really like this story a lot and do recommend it. I will be looking for more.

  Thank you for your effort Rhonda.

   Hugs,

   Kristi

Comment by Jane Hudson on 03/25/04
I loved the story about Vicky Brill my dear keep up good work. How about a bit about Steve and his being dressed.But total good

Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 03/25/04
after part 6

<<  "The kids at school got their wish, I am Vickie now, but I'll make it a name to be proud of not one to be teased with".  >>

This is the story I have been waiting for!  Vickie, and I'm beginning to see Allen/Ellen as well, are my kinds of hero(ines).  I am so tired of stories about whiney little sissies making things worse for themselves by acting like victims and just succumbing to humiliation with nothing but tears.  If the they did nothing to deserve the feminization and it's irreversable, then don't cry over spilt milk, be the avenging bitches from hell and get revenge and rid the world of the bad guys/girls!  (My Rose from "I'm Baaack!")  If it's deserved, take their medicine like men and be the best women they can be, and when the time is up, decide which gender they want to be, or both (My G.A./GeorgieAnne from "Vaingirls")  CONGRATS, RHONDA.

However, this is where I have a problem
.  Allen definitely deserves punishment, and what is happening to "her" seems like just the thing to do that AND turn "him" around, except that Mom isn't going to give "him" a chance to prove he's turned around let alone allowing him any choice of gender if he does prove himself.  If she does indeed succeed in forcing him into complete womanhood against his will, I predict she will regret it.  It's not that she'll have a "reluctant daughter"  - her words - but that she'll probably end up with no child, male or female, as Ellen, almost 18, will most likely disown her.  I would hate to see Ellen's experience of femininity, which should be delightful. spoiled for life because of resentment against her mom.  Please mom, wake up before it's too late.   Allen/Ellen is learning her/his lesson; he/she deserves a choice.

The above is, of course, just my prediction, and Rhonda may take this in a totally different direction that will, i'm sure be exciting and enjoyable.  You go, writergirl!

Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 03/23/04
So Allen caves.  Oh well.

I still think mom is wrong to do what she's doing and not giving Allen a chance to see whether he can be a good young man.  I wonder what Vickie will think when she finds out mom's not planning on stopping at she-male but planning on turning Ellen into a total girl?  Or what will she do when the hormones mom's feeding "her" make 'him" impotent?

Having already made it plain that the story  so far has made me angry, let me state that that is not a bad thing.  Rhonda, you have kept my interest  through five chapters now, and have written them so well that I have become emotionally involved with the characters.  Great job.

I also want to go on record publically to state that I think  Angel is a very gifted writer; if her writing seems complicated at times, it is because she does indeed write from her heart while many of us poor readers read with only our minds.  If we give our hearts a chance we can learn a lot from what she writes.





Comment by Angel O'Hare on 03/12/04
Rhonda, I leave you in the capable hands of Cassandra and Jezzi. As Cassandra has pointed out clearly they are both far better writers than I ever will be. I write with my heart and from actual experience, both of those I guess make reading my stories very difficult. Sorry about that, I thought I was getting better with my later stories, I guess I was wrong. I plan to finish what I have started and then just fade away.

Huggles and keep writing this wonderful story!
Angel O'Hare

Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 02/19/04

<<  Yes I am serious about Ellen's transition, I've had it up to here with his miserable attempt at being a man, that's why I finally agreed with your plan. It will be better to have a reluctant daughter than a totally miserable son. Then, of course, if what you say about Victoria works out, it would be the best of both worlds, wouldn't it?" Gert said.... giving Ellen a girfriend to help her through the ups and downs when the hormones fully kicked in. That was going to be the dicey part, coming up with plausible explanations for the changes as they took place.  >>

What an evil selfish woman!  So she's just going to keep on lying, tricking, and manipulating her own SON.  I can see her doing this temporarily, as she is telling him, to teach him a lesson, but so what if he learned it?  She's not going to give him a chance to prove whether he's reformed or not.  She's going to make him "reformed" as a girl anyway, no matter what.  This is not teaching, it is revenge, pure and simple.  Please, please, please let him find out what's really going on.   Does she really think that when the changes are complete and he finds out she never intended anything less, that he will just say, "Oh, well, I love you mom."????  Although from her comments, she obviously doesn't care what he/she feels about it.  

Comment by Cassandra on 01/25/04
post part III

Dearest Rhonda,

It certainly is nice to see Jezzi and Angel continuing to pile on. I would observe that Jezzi's comments about magistrates involvement tend now to be a little late as A(E)llen is moving toward acceptance.

Strangely, this abrupt turn of events is upsetting. I have the strange feeling that A(E)llen has had an encounter with the Borg Collective.  "Lower your shields" is the Borg order..."Resistance is futile".

One further note on Angel and diapers. Her mega multi-chapter of " Life Ever Changing" did have episodes of diapers. This laborious, confusing, and boring tale. They were, however, far from few, and really made difficult reading a whole lot more difficult.

I'm counting on you to reconcile, with your plan, the varying viewpoints presented to date. My guess is that it refreshing to a new authoress that so many people care for your writing that they respond to you.

Love,

Cassandra

Comment by Jane Hudson on 01/22/04
Good read  but I get the feeling that he had always had deep down feminine feelings but hide the feelings but being a bully .I hope that true other wise he will take his own life or someone else's hate is a powerful force .If he is not transgender but being force to be fem hate will result .But if he has alway been deep down like this it will be the best thing for him. I know how it feel not to be right I am a per op TS  it hard to live wrong .Now just think if a normal boy is made a girl with out any say in things. That would be so horrid but my dear it is a very good read and makes you think.Keep on writing its very good. Love Jane

Comment by Annie O on 01/22/04
Well, from the title you should've figured out the change would be permanent. Gee whiz.
 True, diapers do need plastic pants, or he could get droopy drawers!

Comment by Angel O'Hare on 01/22/04
Rhonda074,

Why is his mother making him into a girl on a permanent basis?

Why is she letting him think this will be all over in six weeks or a little longer depending on his behavior?

He was a little shit, but so aren't his cousins! Why has his mother and aunt allowed these girls to humiliate him so severely? That and with their input and blessing?

I was surprised Jezzi had not brought up the diaper thing! Giggle, giggle. She reamed my butt for adding diaper scenes in a couple of my stories. Giggle, giggle.

Oh and what good is triple thick cloth diapers without the plastic pants? Just panties would do nothing to hold them up especially in the crotch area! The panties have a very thin crotch; the diapers would be hanging out as soon as he took ten steps. Giggle, giggle.
He would be having panties and cloth diapers around his knees by the time he made it next door!

Triple thick cloth diapers and panties that are stretched out to the max just don't do it. One pair of fancy panties ruined! Giggle, giggle.

I like reading your story and the way you are writing it to a point. If your intent is to keep us guessing you succeeded! Jezzi must be fuming! Giggle, giggle.

Jezzi, did you get the "Sold by Those I Love" part I sent you? You have a role in that one and were introduced into the story already. Giggle, giggle.

Huggles
Angel



Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 01/21/04
after part III:

The feminization is one thing.  His mom, however, is deliberately lying to him and misleading him, and that is another.  By setting a time limit and adding or subtracting weeks, she is saying, "This is not forever", that he can, by exhibiting good "girl behavior" end his enforced womanhood, that there are things he can do that will make her think his womanhood is no longer "necessary".   We know, however, that she does indeed intend his womanhood to be permanent, no matter what he does.

<<  She could hardly wait to see if he grew the same substantial and firm breasts that her (imagine that, I think of him as a girl already) cousins displayed. That would be the turning point. Once he had to wear a bra, he would no longer be able to go back.  >>

Does she really believe that if she can keep him in the dark - a really big "if" given the number of people involved in the plot - till the changes are irreversable, that he will just say at that time, "OK mom, thanks." and go on to have a good relationship with her and the others??  I believe that is terribly unrealistic.   You have him beginning to like his femininity, even though enforced.*  Finding out his mother has tricked/betrayed him would, I think so outweigh that beginning pleasure that he would hate what's happening and those who did it to him.  At that point, what hold do they have over him?  Particularly when he turns 18.  I know if I were him, upon finding out about this lying betrayal, I would be gone so fast it wouldn't be funny, and I'd go to a magistrate in a different city and bring charges, even if I had to bring them as a woman.  Keeping the changes temporary, at least for the present, allows for his redemption and a restored good relationship with the ladies.  Lying to him  almost guarantees a rotten future relationship and probably serious psychological problems for him and for mom.

* I was really sorry to see you play the "prior leaning toward things feminine" card, as it seems almost a cheating way for him to come to acceptance when he finds the changes permanent - the women really don't have to work that hard as he has already started, at least mentally, down the road prior to the opening of the story.  Also this is what I see in most stories of this type, and I was hoping you would keep to the road less traveled.  Have him hate the feel of the clothes at first, for example.  

Given all of the above, I still have to say that I am enjoying this well written story and certainly am looking forward to part IV.

Comment by julie on 01/10/04
this is an interesting story i liked the way alen was embarassed and how things have started slowly to getto the current stage i look foreword to reading more of this story and how allen/ellen copes with the changes and how long it is before he realises this is a permant change not temp,and that this will continue i would like to read more about how he rebells against this matter and whether his bedroom changes to be more girlish as well as it would be interesting to see whether he would run away and a punishment from that maybe his windows being barred and he is locked in his room as a punishment,
this story can go quite far i look foreward to reading more in due course well done

Comment by Cassandra on 01/10/04
post part 2

I hate piling on, dear, but I agree totally with Jezzi's latest comments as well as others who have taken the time to comment on this story.

While you have taken a different track on the "bad boy-good girl" motif, this does way over the line. You have two choices right now. They are as follows:

A(E)llen accepts and starts to enjoy being female; or

A(E)llen continues to fight and resist.

Given that Mom has started hormones from which there is no point of return, A(E)llen will never again be a fulltime testerone charged man. The hormone produced changes are irreversible.

Assuming A(E)llen relents and accepts the changes and being female and all that goes with it, things will work out.

On the other hand, if (s)he continues on this path of fighting and resisting, this story can only conclude in suicide of A(E)llen or serious involvement by Department of Children and Family Services or both.Egregious child abuse charges and accusations appear large on the horizon for Gertrude and Lillie. Also Stacy and Tracy do not get a free pass as willing conspirators.

Think this one through, dear, everyone wants to help. This one is definitely going bad real quick unless you change course immediately.


Comment by Jane Hudson on 01/08/04
Good story but if he was force to be a girl against his will and made to be and live as such he could maybe kill himself or do something to his mother or others if he got the chance. Being a TS living as a male was so hateful just think of a non TS male being made to become TS just as bad for him.But still a great story lets have the next one  its a great read

Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 01/08/04
after part 2
    I would hope mom would want a nice, loving child and a responsible, caring adult  irregardless of sex/gender, and sees petticoat punishment as the last resort for achieving that goal.  Apparently from the story so far, though, that is not the case and mom is set on having a daughter permanently, that is gender/sex seems more important to her than reformation of character, or, to give her credit, that she sees that as the ONLY way to reformation of character.

While I think that is misguided and even abusive, given that goal, If Ellen is going to end up a nicer person than Allen,  Allen's transition has to be handled in such a way that he eventually wants to be Ellen and is happy being Ellen.  Being Ellen permanently, in other words, has to be "her" choice.  Guiding Allen toward that choice is going to be like walking a tightrope.  Since there is so much resentment over Allen's past behavior, the tendency, I would think, is going to be to go overboard on the humiliation aspects of his transition.  While some punishment and humiliation is certainly justified here,  if too much humiliation is heaped on Allen, when, sooner or later, he finds out that he has been forced into permanent girlhood against his will - as they are doing with the hormones, if there is no carrot to balance the stick, then sullen resentment, even if hidden because of fear of punishment, will become "her" personality base and she will not turn out as a nice person and the loving daughter that mom   wants.
 
I think mom should stop the hormones and sit down and have a loving heart to heart with Allan, explaining he can either cooperate and learn and try to enjoy his TEMPORARY condition as Ellen or be miserable and further humiliated.  She should tell him that if he drops the whinning attitude and cooperates she will limit the humiliation and do nice things for "her", things Allan wants to do that could be done by Ellen also.  (For example, if Allen liked tennis, let Ellen play tennis instead of ,or as well as, learning to, say,  crochet.)  

If this doesn't work, then let him be a boy again, but dump him on the street - why keep spending ton's of money to turn a rotten boy into a rotten girl?

Comment by mikie on 12/22/03
I like this story you have started and want you to continue with it.  My only suggestion is for you to write more about the feelings each of the characters have in response to the added humiliations.  Otherwise, the story seems to be rushed in its presentation.  Do write more.

Comment by Pervette on 12/21/03
Nice story. But I'm going to talk about dialogue attribution. You have way too many "he taunted," "she stated," "he begged," & similar attributions. (At least none of your characters bark!) But rather than lecture you about this, I'm going to let Stephen King do it for me, because he says it better & you're more likely to listen to him than to me:

"Some writers try to evade the no-adverb rule by shooting the attribution verb full of steroids. The result is familiar to any reader of pulp fiction or paperback originals:

"'Put down the gun, Utterson!' Jekyll grated.

"'Never stop kissing me"' Shayna gasped.

"'You damned teast!' Bill jerked out.

"Don't do these things.  Please oh please.

"The best form of dialogue attribution is *said*, as in he said, she said, Bill said, Monica said."

There you have it, not from some highbrow academic but from a commercial writer of best sellers. Read, mark, learn, & inwardly digest. The point is that your character's words must tell the reader how he talked, not the particular verb you use in the attribution.

--Pervy

Comment by Jezzi Stewart on 12/20/03
    Certainly punishment and revenge are deserved here, but I don't gather from what you've written that they are the main goal.  If the main goal is to be redemption and reformation rather than pure punishment and revenge, I think the hormones go too far and will be counterproductive.  When he realizes they have changed him beyond return, which you imply will be fairly soon, far too soon for real mental adjustment, do you think he will love them for it?  I would think  that he will resent what has happened so much that any hope that he will come to like/enjoy his feminine state will be lost, and an endless round of punishment leading only to sullen resentful compliance from him leading to ever harsher punishments from his frustrating ladies who don't understand why he's not coming around will follow.  He will eventually become just be an unhappy resentful forced transexualI, and probably still not a nice person.
    I would use carrot and stick to get him to hopefully enjoy his girl experiences after awhile and learn his lesson in compassion; I think this might be possible as long as he believes that his femininity is only temporary.  In the end, he may chose to take the hormones and become a fine young lady, or opt to go back to being a man, but a gentleman.  Either way the ladies in his life win if the goal was to make a better person, whether as a him or a her.

Comment by Angel O'Hare on 12/20/03
I e-mailed you with my comments. I offer them to you in a respectful way and I am sincere in what I offer.

Huggles
Angel



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