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The Runaway Train
by Elaine

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Comment by Elaine. on 02/18/03
1. I dont like the fact that you are demeaning the story while hiding behind an anonymous cloak. I dont mind debating your comments but I draw the line at arguing with someone who isnt prepared to stick their neck above the parapet. if you wish to continue then please email me.

2. The story was as told to me. However the person who invents such a story has to be consistent and sure of their facts. I had no doubts about the person who sent me the information and who answered countless numbers of questions in a consistent manner. There is much that was not told in the story but the main parts and events are as recounted to me.

3. So no matter what you feel or believe I believe in what was written because the aim was not to create a story here on storysite or fictionmania but to talk about something that caused a great deal of grief and sorrow to that person.

4. It matters not one jot to me what you believe or feel about the validity of the story. I believe it to be true and accurate and that is all that matters otherwise I wouldnt have the response from other readers including some post-op TS women.

5. As for the hormone dosages you make the assumption that the ostrogen was in oestradiol and I didnt state what the form was.

6. You talk about the treatment of young TGs as it applied to the USA but this wasnt the USA and the system in place is certainly one that failed this particular person badly.

7. Your comment about medical parents being careful etc is noted but if the situation had been a diagnosis for some other condition then I am sure that the parent would pull a few strings to get the best care in that case. That is what happened here.

8. Your references to anne lawrence are noted also and that probably is the crux of the matter and the problem is that autogynephilia exists and although it represents a small proportion of transitions some do get through the net. As for mistaking her hypothesis there is no theory here, this story is about someone who is male inside a female body and is unhappy with that and is also aroused by that quite strongly. My friend identified quite strongly with the idea of autogynephilia and called it TVitis.

I dont personally agree with the idea of no real life test but i am sure many will have the money to pay for it if need be.


Comment by anonymous on 02/18/03
Which Scandinavian country? I know of none that have any provision for treating people before adulthood, even now; they're all pretty conservative in their requirements and restrictions before people can get treatment and legal recognition, treatment would be easier to get in the USA, provided a healthy bank statement. Just because a region has a reputation as having liberal social policies and risque sexual behaviour (an unfounded reputation, group sauna usage does not equal group sex) does not mean it is medically liberal.

The dosages of hormones listed are out of sync with reality.
1mg oestradiol is used in males without aromatase to stop their bones growing, it wouldn't even produce normal male levels of oestrogen, and then supposedly is reduced! 1mg of ethynl oestradiol is an incredibly high dosage, 10 times the normal TS dosage and 35 times the average birth control dosage, no responsible doctor would prescribe such levels, and I'm sure any father who cared about their child being alive wouldn't.

In the mid 80's no papers had been published that supported the treatment of young TS', the father (and the "therapists", why therapists would need to be involved is beyond me, they apparently didn't even talk to the kid) would have been going against all medical literature on the subject, it was only in the early 90's that papers were written even proposing early treatment, and they were often derided by the overly conservative medical establishment.

While a father who is a doctor might seem an easy path to medical assistance the practical reality is different. Medical parents usually have to be ultra careful to follow rules exactly with regard to their relatives for fear of losing their license and the families livelihood.

Also, you make references to Anne Lawrence and autogynephilia, I don't agree with her theories anyway but what you say and describe here is completely contradictory to the ideas expressed within them, she advocates "autogynephiles" being allowed SRS without any RLT, claims herself a "autogynephile" and then writes papers about herself with titles such as "SRS Without a One Year RLE: Still No Regrets". You have taken a poor excuse for a hypothesis and misunderstood it's over-simplistic ideas.

Comment by Elaine on 02/18/03
Your claims of "true life story" are BS.

This story is not something that could happen in the USA it happened in Scandanavia.

"Do you know how hard you have to convince people you really need it to get SRS at 18? Hormones at 12, whilst something that TS kids /should/ be able to access, are sadly not available and if they were the child in question would have to be present a very convincing case to the doctor."

That's the point this girl's father was a doctor and he made extensive enquiries about the subject. The decision to begin hormones pre-puberty was a joint one between the therapists and her father. The GD began at a very early age too.

"There's also the fact that in 1991, as far as I know, no surgeon was doing sensate clits that looked like clits."

She has one and had labiaplasty too whether it looks like one and feels like one is her opinion.

I think it has to be kept in mind, it's not a normal feature of boyhood to want to be a girl, just because you're a crossdresser doesn't mean the medical profession harbours a great desire to give you a pussy and breasts, quite the opposite infact, the world is not forced feminisation."

Until the HRT my friend had never cross dressed it was only after the appearance of breasts and hips that she had to do so.

"There's nothing wrong with writing fantasy but please don't try and pass it off as true."

I stand by every word and your words have not done anything to alter that view.



Comment by anonymous on 02/18/03
Your claims of "true life story" are BS.

Do you know how hard you have to convince people you really need it to get SRS at 18? Hormones at 12, whilst something that TS kids /should/ be able to access, are sadly not available and if they were the child in question would have to be present a very convincing case to the doctor.

There's also the fact that in 1991, as far as I know, no surgeon was doing sensate clits that looked like clits.

I think it has to be kept in mind, it's not a normal feature of boyhood to want to be a girl, just because you're a crossdresser doesn't mean the medical profession harbours a great desire to give you a pussy and breasts, quite the opposite infact, the world is not forced feminisation.

There's nothing wrong with writing fantasy but please don't try and pass it off as true.

Comment by James Q Burgess on 02/16/03
Although I didn't read all the story I suspect it is common to many people who get caught up in their unconscious desires and confuse being female with connecting with the feminine.  It also seemed very passive in the way the protagonist expected someone to come to the rescue.  My professor for the class on the unconscious (CG Jung) said that following the unconscious could sometimes get people in trouble. I meet many people who are dead sure they want to "change sex", but who, I suspect, haven't fully checked with their psyche.  My experience was first a wish to "change sex", but Virginia Prince talked me out of it by saying my primary sexual instrument was my mind and surgery wouldn't change that. Because we rear children with little opportunity for direct experience with their differential anatomy and the only 'sex' indicator they have is clothing it should come as no surprise that the first approach to the libido drive is to change clothing with the other sex. Basically it's poor sex education.

Comment by Paula on 02/14/03
a bit long for my personal reading taste but well writen none the less



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