4hmz6D Im thankful for the post.Really looking forward to read more. Really Cool.

jABgoD I think this is a real great article post.Really thank you! Want more.

First I want to say that I love the story, so much so that I spent 24 hours straight reading every single Angel story during a weekend off.  I love them and always will.  Why?  Well I was subject to some pretty humiliating things growing up.  Not as intense as in these fictionalized accounts, but enough that qualifies as abuse.  Honestly, it did no good for me and only drove me into the very act that the punishment was ment to prevent.  I spent years recovering from the whole mess.

That said, I still enjoy petticoat discipline as fiction.  And only as fiction.  Doing that sort of thing to a child, who neither has the mental capability, nor the information and will, to consent is a crime and is abuse.

Annie, you said that while child abuse is wrong that murder was more wrong.  I personally disagree.  To harm a child is the greatest sin one can inflict upon another living being.  Even cold blooded murder is not so cruel.  To kill, whether a child or adult, means the person will at least see the end of their suffering.  However abuse victims suffer endlessly, even after they are released from their torment.

All in all, a very well written story, and a very brave act to post it since it goes against the traditions of TG fiction.  I hope that eventually we will see more work from you along the line of Angel and this world.

Perhaps I will sit down and attempt to find a middle road to all this.  Something that is neither extreame but rather a more loving version of petticoat discipline that does not involve the "breaking" of a person.  Who knows...  We'll see when I have more free time coming up soon.

Hmmm...The Season's fans are here. >.>

Ah well, I really didn't like the series. Even Jane admitted that she enjoyed breaking the boys! ENJOYED it! That turned my stomach.

Once again sugar, this story needed to be written.

SLOTHROP, I AM A FAN OF SEASONS HOUSE. I ADMIT THAT AUNT JANE'S WAY OF SCHOOLING THE BAD BOYS INTO GOOD BOYS IS UNUSUAL. IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHERE SHE LOSES EVERYTHING, READ RACHEL GREENHAM'S TUCK SQUARED AND THE TAKEN. BOTH ARE BASED UPON ELLEN HAYE'S SAGA OF TUCK WHERE TUCK GOES TO SEASONS HOUSE, WHILE THERE, CHAOS ENSUES AS TUCK IN THE GUISE OF VALERIE PROVES TO BE MORE THAN A MATCH FOR JANE.
VALERIE ALSO WITH THE HELP OF THE "PACK" AND THE "RAT BOYS" HELP PREVENT THE SHOOTING OF TERESSA, ONE OF AUNT JANE'S STUDENTS. IN TUCK SQUARED, A TRANSITIONED VALERIE IS BROUGHT FROM HER REALITY TO TUCK'S WHERE HE IS TRYING TO GET RID OF VALERIE.
IN THIS REALITY, VALERIE WAS NOT THERE TO SAVE SEASON HOUSE, SO AUNT JANE MUST CLOSE HER SCHOOL AFTER THE SHOOTING OF TERESSA AND EUGENIA.
I DO APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT ANGEL TAKES OUT THE EVIL AUNT JANE AND HIS COMMITMENT TO THE ERADICATION OF ALL SUCH WOMEN.
ANGEL IS VERY MUCH LIKE TWO LADIES FROM TINA'S M.I.B.D. SERIES. DIANA HUNTER AND JO-ELLEN.

I generally love stories where the victim refuses to be a victim.  However, this isn't one of them.  This story and the one before it seemed hypocritical at best.  'The Group' seems worse than the people they see fit to punish, summarily executing without allowing them the due process that they seem to be advocating for dealing with the troubled boys.

While child abuse is a horrible thing and should be punished harshly, murder is still a more grievous offense.

My biggest problem here is trying to divorce your antagonist from Aunt Jane, who you obviously wished us to connect.  I seriously doubt he Aunt Jane characterized by Tigger is getting off on some sort of a power trip and I believe she does genuinely care for her charges.  

However, the woman that had Angel was a different matter entirely.  She deserved to be ill treated.  As did Tina Smith's 'Sisterhood' and Julie O's 'Margo' among others.

You asked in a response to another reviewer if they would want their kids to be subjected to petticoat discpline.  My response would be if I had a choice between my kid going to some juvinile detention center, or prison and being someone's 'bitch', getting raped, or having to fight to keep from being raped, or going to someone like Aunt Jane, whose methods might be unconventional and veiw with distaste be transgenderphobic society, but otherwise knowing my child would be safe and protected, damn right, the kid would be in skirts.

The thing about rehabilitation is that it's often harsh no matter what method is used.  It has to be to provide an incentive to change the subject's attitude.

Be that as it may, I respect your opinion, but this series seems more like a rant, lashing out at the work of Joel Lawrence and Tigger.  That's kewl since I've written a story or two along a similar vein, but I can't truly respect or sympathize with a character that proports to operate from the moral high ground yet lowers himself to levels beneath those he's punishing.

Having said all that, I have read some of your other work and have enjoyed it.  Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

Calamity

after  reading several of the angel stories I find that this fits in just fine well written and following the story line of angel ....most of the stories show a lot of research and planning before a attack or any action is taken  ....that was not here at the beginning so anybody not familure with the angel stories would not get that impression this would cause confuseion ....still I realy love this series and hope you continue to write such wonderfull stories....thank you ......rone

I actually read this story on FM earlier today, but when I tried to post a comment their system went <kablooey!> as it seems to all too often these days.  Anyhow, Storysite is as good a place to gas as any.  As I said about your "Spring...Recovery" episode, this story is a unique one for TG fiction sites.  There must be hundreds, perhaps thousands of stories on these sites featuring the "Bad Boy to Good Girl" theme and,I must admit, I have enjoyed many of them.  In fact, that's one of my favorite TG themes.  Saying all that, I can't see why anyone would be offended by you illustrating the flip side of that theme, ie. sometimes the victims fight back and if you take away someone's life, you'd better be prepared for someone to take your's in return!  Perhapes it's because I'm a Libra, but I have always been an advocate of fair play.  That's one of the main reasons I wrote "The Return."  In fact, if I ever get around to writing a sequel to that story it will probably focus on Laura and Harry running the old Loft property as a halfway house for victims of forced fem.  What some people don't seem to understand is that in the real world, there are consequences for your actions and sometimes those consequences are rather unpleasent.

Bluto

I am so sorry that children do not call you sir or ma'm. Should we all slap them when they forget? It is truly the devastation of our society. But maybe they know something we do not.

Do I need a membership card to write here? I was not aware! There must be a real doozy of a medical exam! Who gets to certify?  

So no real TV, CD, TS, TG would feel squeamish about forcing a gender identity alien to a child on the child, after all, why should they care about that? It's not like they ever had to deal with it, right?

If you wish to continue to attack my beliefs, please take it to the message board, along with the other outraged Tigger fans. That would show the courtesy you seem to prize so highly.

So what you are saying is that Jane didn't give a damn about the kids in here charge?
  So this person takes the law into their own hand, goes in and just kills when and where they like -- judge, jury and executioner all in one!
  What do you want -- parents to teach caring, loving and all that --hell, you can even threaten a child without Child Welfare sitting on your doorstep.
  Try finding children, of either sex, who say "sir" or "ma'am," hold doors for adults. That is long past!
  Petticoating was meant to train a boy to act like a girl -- sit quietly, be mannerly, not run loose like a "hoodlum"; control of your self.
  I take it that you are nether TS, CD or TV, but straight thru and thru.  
 

I see the Seasons crowd has arrived. A warm welcome to you all.

To subject a child with problems to gender identity destruction, deception and humiliation under the guise of 'caring' so the person inflicting the pain can feel a sense of power is not to my taste.

The key question I have for you proponents of this method is: Would you subject your own troubled child to this method? Could you actually do that?

There are many more productive ways to teach values and self respect which build on the child's identity rather than challenge their fundamental existence. Would anyone struggling with gender identity issues wish that on someone else? Especially a child? Unfortunately, these effective ways are probably less titillating to the some readers.

I'm glad you got the cues. They were rather obvious. And explicit.

As I recall, the setting was originally done by one author, expanded by several others. View this as another point of view.

Sorry, but this seems to be a rip-off of Tigger's "Seasons." Even to the New England area, the boy/girl at the station, the French-speaking maid, even the Judge stepping in. Is it your intention to demean his work, or are you trying to show that it is all wrong, or are you showing another side of the saga.
  Maybe you are saying that a boy who is underage, drinks heavily, stays out late, and uses drugs should just be left to see the error of his ways by himself. Or even the schools should be the place where he should learn the proper ways to act.

Stories of this sort are all too rare. It's refreshing to see the
tables turned for a change.

Pervette

Forced Fem is one of those genres that you either love or hate. Personally, I loathe it. I feel that there is something deeply twisted about it, something basically _wrong_ on many levels. Yes, I know that it's just a fantasy; but it's a fantasy about something, that if ever done, would be monstrous. A submissive being 'told' to dress up by an understanding dominant is one thing; but most stories are of men who have absolutely no interest being enslaved. Slothrop, you beat me to the punch- I've been writing a anti-forced fem story for years, but could never get it to work. Good job.

     Another  fine story by Slothrop. This one turns the genre on its head-  the would-be victim turns the tables, and for once the "good guys"  win. Tightly written and well-paced. Congrats!

Nicely done!

Good revenge and just desserts!  Well thought out and well told.

Thank you!

Fran